Happy Monday, #sciencebabeshills! It’s been quite the weekend. I started talking to my first potential advertiser (I’m becoming a shill for big orgasm, more on that at a future blog post), had a nice long meeting with my literary agent (our little page is almost grown up), was called a hate group by the Food Babe…
We’re going to detour from our ‘rules of bullshit’ Weekly Woo blog journey for a trip down memory lane for a quick visit to the reason why this blog started: the Food Babe’s complete disconnection from reality and inability to take criticism.
Vani, it’s time to set the record straight about the
missiles bullshit flying overhead.
In her blog entry, Vani made it look like she was addressing her critics. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Let’s go through point by point, her posts as screencaps:
During your Starbucks campaign in which you won absolutely nothing, continual declarations of victory were released. Then again, you have a funny relationship with the definition of victory, given that before the election in November, you said this:
The tactic in this blog was to make it sound like this was an attack on poor Vani. We weren’t attacking the science, we were attacking Vani!
Um, have we met?
First, The Good Food Movement? I’ve lost 90lbs and have kept it off without lecturing people about how to control their lives, please spare me the sanctimonious lecture on “good food.”
Next, if she thinks for a second that this is about her personally, she’s been listening to a different conversation. As I showed in my previous blog covering some of her habits, she rarely promotes anything scientifically accurate. I’ve consistently only gone after the inaccurate science from her. There’s been a touch of snark, but that’s my style. I also tell my followers to stay away from personal attacks, but more on that later.
Furthermore, we’ve also seen that it’s definitely not about gender. I’ve gone after several of her male counterparts for their junk science as well.
This is Josh Axe who she’s called her friend on her site. He presents himself as a doctor. He’s a chiropractor. As I’ve told people several times, I’m pretty sure chiropractor is Latin for ‘fake doctor.’ Josh Axe has an oils team.
Real doctors don’t have oils teams.
This is the company that Vani keeps. Scientists who deal with toxins have things like GC/MSs and HPLCs and has a stack of SDSs on their desk and go to training to better analyze chromatography. A scientist does not become qualified by looking up bullshit research on the internet to misuse the word “toxic”. I say this as someone with an actual background in toxicology.
Vani, it’s not because you’re a woman. I’m a woman too, we’re on a level ground. It’s because you peddle complete and utter bullshit. But for the record, only one of us in this conversation has attacked a female public figure for something related to their looks, and it’s not the person who you branded a “hate group.”
This was well before Paula had her scandal, but even if that hadn’t happened? Vani, extend everyone else the same courtesy that you expect. But Paula Dean was an easy target, it’s not like you went after a famous woman for her decisions regarding her sexual organs or cancer or anything, I mean, that would be atrocio-
We’ll get more into the harassment issue later. For now, the rest of the article…
It has been well documented that what started Vani down her journey was a case of appendicitis. Was that “too important” to leave up to experts? Did she hand the scalpel to someone who saw it on google a few times because doctors are all corporate shills?
When is a doctor or a scientist okay to trust and when do you call us a corporate sellout? As soon as the fever goes too high, you’ll be glad that we’re a lot more principled than you are and we’ll treat you exactly the same as someone who didn’t call everyone in our profession ‘shills.’ And speaking of shills…
Well, that’s a funny thing to bring up because Vani, like pie for a cooking show, here’s an infographic fresh from the oven of your financial relationships:
In the interest of brevity, I’ll let that speak for itself and move on.
Vani, the difference is that you haven’t been saying that smoking causes cancer. You’ve been saying that pumpkin spice lattes are linked to cancer because one ingredient is a group 2b carcinogen (for the record, two ingredients in it are are… the second one? Coffee), and then we see you doing this:
I really don’t drink alcohol (diet coke or homemade apple and spinach juice are my drinks of choice- I juice too, really!), but I’m noticing that this comes up on your page frequently. Alcohol is a group 1 carcinogen, WAY worse than group 2b. And to drink enough to get a hangover, you’d have to drink an actual toxic dose.
Unlike, say, the acrylamide or caramel color IV in a pumpkin spice latte.
You are aware that the liver damage from drinking so much “organic” alcohol that you have a hangover is just as bad as liver damage from drinking Budweiser with those fishbladders that you keep whining about, right? Just clearing that up.
What you’ve been doing is the equivalent of screaming at the top of your lungs to warn people of the dangers of splinters but ignoring flying poisonous daggers. Group 2b carcinogens are, as I’ve explained in previous posts, possibly carcinogenic in some quantity. Like, 37,000 cups of coffee. In one day. And even then it’s a maybe. You could literally get an acute overdose from the water in the pumpkin spice lattes before you could die from your alleged “toxic” ingredients.
I’m not sure I want to trust someone who wasn’t aware that getting so drunk that you get a hangover is bad for you to tell me about toxicity. But Vani, are you aware that you can take two tylenol and it will relieve a fever but fifty tylenol will cause liver failure?
Something can be perfectly harmless, even helpful, in one dosage, but lethal in another.
One day, it may sink in that dosage makes the poison. Maybe that takes being, as you disdainfully decried, a credentialed expert.
Like me. So take my advice. The dose makes the poison.
Speaking of that beer:
Is it weird? Well a lot of foods sound weird, but then again have you heard of haggis? Is it poisonous? Nope. This isn’t even something you can scream ‘MONSATAN’ about. This has been going on since the 18th century. “It sounds icky” is not justification to not do something. I really didn’t want to reach into my sink to de-clog it last night because it was icky, but I got over that too. Life can’t stop because something made you say “ew.” Speaking of…
We’re basing this whole thing on “can a third grader pronounce it?” An eight year old. Huh.
You know the show “Are You Smarter Than a Fifth Grader?
Pretend you’re with me right now. I’m pausing for effect…. aaaaaaad button.
Yeah. We’re going to let the pronounciation skills of people who are two years younger than fifth graders set food policy. Because that is not clever or great advice.
First, I have not said that Vani is anorexic or bulimic. But please examine my analysis of her Six Unconventional Habits along with links to other sites calling orthorexia the Food Babe Disorder. She doesn’t allow herself to eat for twelve hours per day, many of her posts involve cleanses and detoxing, and her obsession (and when you have birthed an entire industry from it, it’s an obsession) is a step past normal. A few sites have taken a more serious look at it. This much focus on guilt associated with eating and pre-burning calories is not indicative of someone with a healthy relationship with food.
Does she have an eating disorder? I don’t know. I’m not qualified to make that assessment and I don’t know how many calories she takes in. I feel it’s inappropriate for me to make that accusation. But as I said in my previous blog post, her habits that she’s admitted that are geared towards maintaining a low body weight are not based in sound nutrition science. Please, if you are reading this, and you follow the food babe’s advice, I suggest that you instead seek the advice of a registered dietician.
Look back at pictures from when she first started Food Babe from 2011. She was going on a very nice vacation thee times per year. Hmmm… (side note, for me being a “paid shill,” I’m still paying off a 2009 Toyota Corolla with over 200k miles).
It is impossible to feel in any way like this is the story of someone who struggled when she is buying $6.99 bullshit sugar water, all organic everything and there are pictures of her on amazing tropical vacations three times per year, minimum, from before Food Babe took off.
For the record, I do not begrudge her the financial success of her husband. I do want her to be realistic about this; the average person who goes into business for herself does not do it with a banking VP husband.
Well sometimes she makes it easy for me by ranting about some shit that I’ve already debunked. Thanks, Vani!
Fine, I won’t call you anti-vax. I’ll call you pro-death-by-just-the-flu.
Your reasons for being anti-flu shot are the same reasons that anti-vaxxers are against the entire range of vaccines. People die from the flu, and getting the flu vaccine helps herd immunity. There are people, friends of mine, with compromised immune systems from things like organ transplants and various types of immune disease. Your suggestion of “take vitamin D and just get the flu” doesn’t cover it. Please, for them, help with herd immunity. I understand that I’m just about the snarkiest person on the planet, but I can’t be any more sincere in what I’m saying to you right now.
One of my followers has a husband going through treatment for cancer. Nobody is allowed in the house without a flu shot. Another follower is going through chemo (and he only has a 6% chance of making it five years, he’s to the three year mark and he’s running a marathon to raise money for kids with cancer- Kenny’s a badass). Just getting the flu for one of them can be such a huge set back.
Do your part and help out with this one. I’m asking you Yvette to Vani.
Wrapping up a few points, I’m going to touch on the subject Vani mentioned of her deleted blog posts. She groused that she’d been criticized for not using a microwave, trying to debunk that “I believe water can turn into Satan or Hitler crystals when they are microwaved.” Vani, you stated that you took the piece down because it wasn’t your best work, but let’s be honest, it’s because you were getting such a strong negative response to it for the complete… bullshit. In the article this weekend, it was intimated that you still stand by all your previously stated beliefs. A microwave is still way, way not a small nuclear bomb, and your beliefs are still not scientific. From the original article:
Dr. Masaru Emoto, who is famous for taking pictures of various types of waters and the crystals that they formed in the book called “Hidden Messages in Water,” found water that was microwaved did not form beautiful crystals – but instead formed crystals similar to those formed when exposed to negative thoughts or beliefs. If this is happening to just water – I can only imagine what a microwave is doing to the nutrients, energy of our food and to our bodies when we consume microwaved food. For the experiment pictured above, microwaved water produced a similar physical structure to when the words “satan” and “hitler” were repeatedly exposed to the water.
The internet never forgets, Vani. Just like it’s still enjoying your article about airplanes that you yanked without a word. I almost felt bad for the internet lashing you took for that.
But you said this:
The air you are breathing on an airplane is recycled from directly outside of your window. That means you are breathing everything that the airplanes gives off and is flying through. The air that is pumped in isn’t pure oxygen either, it’s mixed with nitrogen, sometimes almost at 50%.
The internet never forgets, and it’s still disagreeing with you over this:
First, claiming that you have the same policy as the New York Times? Oh dear. I don’t think she realize the New York Times allows questions.
It’s an unfortunate reality that, no matter what, you’ll be harassed if you’re a public figure online. The type of harassment will probably be a little different if you’re a woman. These are some comments that she reported receiving:
None of these comments came from posters on Science Babe. In fact, when her blog entry came out yesterday, I immediately addressed this section of her blog entry. Comments like these are immediately deleted from Science Babe, and posters are banned without warning. I do not tolerate any posts that I wouldn’t want to see about myself. That has not been and will not ever be debatable.
Vani, as a person, I’m sorry that people say things like this. Nobody deserves to read things like this about themselves. The longer I’m in business, the worse it gets and it gives me a stomach ache every time. It’s not my policy to allow it to happen, and I know the moderators on Chow Babe, Food Hunk, Kavin Senapathy and several other pages that I’m friends with have the exact same zero tolerance policy.
Unfortunately, we can’t control the people who follow us. One of your biggest fans paid me a visit yesterday. In the thread where I told people that I had a zero tolerance policy for attacking you, he had the following things to say:
This was because he was against the alleged “toxins” that you posted about in Lucky Charms. Furthermore, in response to telling him that (1) the page had made national media for a few of the campaigns I had been on and (2) toxicity was dose dependent and that even water can kill you because I’m, again, a real scientist…
Oh, so telling me to poison myself and using a slur that I ban people for. Classy. A follower found this from him:
Vani, these are your followers. Do I get to brand you a hate group now because they joke about attacking women?
But as for your allegation that you “only” ban people who are “insulting, harassing, or cyberbullying?”
There is a group on facebook called Banned By Foodbabe. There are over 4,000 members. A lot of them are members on my page as well. Most of them were banned for just asking questions. Tonight I started a thread asking why people were banned. Here were the responses:
There were over a hundred responses, but I think this was my favorite:
I’m up front with my followers about how I conduct my page. So while you’re making these borderline libelous allegations that I’m a paid shill for Monsanto (for which I do recommend you publicly recant sooner than later as I have zero financial ties with Monsanto), I’m telling them to only talk about your complete lack of comprehension of science.
And Vani, there’s a lot to talk about.
Last, here was one of the allegations from your biggest fan:
Vani, it appears that your followers need help with more than just science.
From poking around your facebook page, it looks like I have the same number of followers in 3 months that you acquired in about two years. I still have a lot of work to do, but my message is resonating. Maybe it’s the cute puppy. But I think my two rules help:
1. Don’t be a dick.
2. Citation or get the fuck out.
I never post anything that can’t be backed up without reputable peer review, and I don’t let anyone stay on the site who’s acting like a dick. Disagree on the science all day, but you can’t be mean.
I don’t even know if you have forum rules. But we know you don’t cite anything, that’s long established. And given that somebody reported that this was on your wall:
We ban the people who say these things about you, Vani. Maybe it’s time to have a talk with those admins about who to ban because harassing and cyberbullying count when it happens to more than just their boss. I’m going to fight this battle hard, but I’m not going to stoop to that level, and I think I’ve made that clear.
But then again, I like to think the proof of how different we are is in this meme from the one time we were in the same building:
I really did adopt the puppy. His name is Buddy.
Who knows. Maybe I do have it all wrong. The hangover is just fine if it’s organic alcohol, four-thousand people are lying about being banned from your site, and maybe I shouldn’t eat cyanocobalamin.
That’s quite the
missile bullshit to ignore flying overhead.